Update on the 2022 rules proposal and preparations of the AGM

You will recall that we circulated a set of draft RG65 Rules for comment in December.  I am glad to say that we received some great feedback from a number of Nations as well as a few “Thumbs Up” with our proposal.

We are currently re-working the draft Rules with some of your suggestions so that they are ready for final consideration and acceptance at the AGM on 26 March 2022.

There are a number or suggested changes that we feel are too extensive to be included in this revision and so some of them will be carried forward for further discuss with a view to have the World Council consider them for a future version.

We received no notice of additional topics for the AGM by the deadline on  15 January and so the AGM agenda will be as originally proposed HERE.

We also received no proposals for committee members as so the current temporary committee will stand for election unopposed.

Here is a recap of the AGM Agenda

          1. Accounts for the 2021 year and a budget for 2022
          2. Special Resolution to adopt the revised 2022 Constitution
            • Revisions include
              • Amending the options for chairmanship of the Technical sub-committee
          3. Ordinary Resolution to select a voting methodology to be incorporated into the Regulations. The options for consideration to be:
            • Proportional voting with the votes determined by the number of active sailors in the country as set out in Appendix A of the current un-adopted Regulations
            • Simple voting with each member having a single vote with an additional vote for any member NCA or NCS who were represented at any RG65 Global or World championships sanctioned by the ICA in the previous 4 years.  This gives a maximum of 2 votes per member.
          4. Ordinary Resolution to adopt the revised 2022 Regulations
            • Revisions include
              • Voting methodology to be chosen through a motion listed above;
              • Amendments to define a process to be followed should multiple applications for Would Council membership be received from the same country.
          5. Special Resolution to adopt the 2022 version of the Class Rules.
          6. Election of the ICA committee.

I would like to further recap a few points on how the AGM voting shall proceed.

      1. In this instance of the AGM each World Council member shall have 1 (one) vote on each agenda item that calls for a vote.
      2. Votes must be cast by the World Council member or a proxy that they appoint to vote on their behalf.
      3. Special Resolutions require a 2/3rds of votes in their favor to be accepted
      4. Ordinary Resolutions require a simple majority (>50%) of votes cast
      5. In the case of special resolutions each World Council Member is required by the  Class Constitution to ballot it’s members and cast their vote at the AGM accordingly.

As I mentioned earlier, we are now preparing the Committee Motions, including the Rules, and plan to release these to the World Council Members on or before 29 January so that you may all consider them before the AGM in March.

The temporary committee are pleased with the progress already made and we hope that you all see the proposed changes as positive steps forward for the class.

If you have any questions or concerns please do not hesitate to let us know.

Sincerely on behalf of the RG65 ICA

Wayne Stobbs

 

Announcement of the 2022 Annual General Meeting of the RG65 ICA

The ICA Committee has today announced the date of the next AGM of the RG65 ICA.

The meeting will be held online via video call at 8PM GMT on 26 March 2022.

The full timeline and draft agenda is published on the ICA website HERE

The Committee will welcome member motions for inclusion in the Agenda as well as nominations for the ICA committee.  The committee elected at the AGM will replace the temporary committee currently in place.

Any RG65 owner may serve on the ICA committee and all member of the temporary committee have indicated their willingness to stand for election if nominated by a member of the World Council.  The committee would additionally like to attract a nominee for the role of Secretary and Treasurer.

Any questions should be addressed to the committee on the email address .

Sincerely

 

Wayne Stobbs

Temporary ICA Chairman

 

Feedback on 2022 Rules proposal

Hi Everyone

We see some great review and discussion going on regarding the 2022 rules proposal we circulated last week.

We are noticing a few things that are coming up in a lot of discussions so we though that it would be a good idea to share these with you as they may answer some of your questions or concerns.

We have created a section on our forum where we will add is any recurring theme and give you our take on things.   Please feel free to comment on these topics in the forum, or build them into your own discussions you are having with your NCA/NCS.

To see this discussion please go to https://rg65.org/forum/review-of-draft-rules-for-2022/

Best regards

 

Wayne

Time for you to review the draft 2022 RG65 Class Rules

The ICA committee have been working to update the current Class Rules and are now ready to publish the draft for review.

The aim of the re-draft is to bring the rules up to date, correct some previous issues and ambiguities and rewrite them in a modern format that most R/C sailors will already be familiar with.

We have sought to ensure that the draft rules do not unnecessarily change the RG65 class and should not mean that any boat developed under the previous rules will be impacted.

We would now like you to spend some time reviewing the proposed rules and giving us any comments and feedback that you might have.   Where possible please can you send your feedback via your ICA representative, the details of which you can find on the National Reps page.

There are 3 documents that you should review:

      • The main Rules document.

This document includes many temporary drawings so please do not be worried if the drawings do not look good.   Once we are ready to make a final release we will include good quality drawings.  See the document here

      • Certification Form

This is the form that will be used to declare that your boat and rigs comply with the class rules and here you will notice a change.   Whilst the class rules still support Self-Certification we will now also accommodate  traditional measurement and certification as this is already required in some countries.  See the document here

      • Sail Measurement Spreadsheet

This spreadsheet is to be used to calculate the sail area of your rigs using the measuring technique defined in the Rules.  The main part of the spreadsheet is unchanged from the one previously in use.  See the document here

A lot of work has already gone into these documents and we hope to have them adopted by the class in late March 2022 at an AGM of the RG65 ICA World Council Members.

We will accept comments through until 14 January where after we will finalize the draft and get them ready for the World Council AGM.

One final important note – until these are accepted by the world council they are only a draft for review and should not be used. The 2014 edition remain the official class rules for now.

Thank you in advance for your help and attention.

Sincerely

 

Wayne

RG65_Sail_Area_Calculation (2021 – v2) 2021 RG65 Measurement Declaration (v0.4) RG65 Rules 2022 – 20211215 (v 0.9d)

World Council Member Applications

The ICA is required to announce when applications for membership of the ICA World Council are received.

Accordingly we can announce that the following applications have been received:

Country NCS/NCA WC named person
Australia NCS Andrew Cook
Austria NCS Eric Gielen
Brasil NCA Percy Glaser
Czech Republic NCS Jan Hyk
Chile NCS Jorge Eichholz
France NCA Stephan Gibaud
Germany NCA  Udo Reutter
Greece NCS Abraham Onassiadis
Hungary NCS Zoltan Illes
Ireland NCS Vangelis Simonidis
Italy NCS Gianluca Montecchi
Netherlands NCA Remco Sol
New Zealand NCS Karl Stachel
Portugal NCS Jorge Camilo
Switzerland NCA Reto Brunschweiler
UK NCA Graham Elliott
USA NCA Craig Huzway

These applications will be accepted by the ICA after 4 weeks have elapsed unless another person or group from one of these countries also makes an application.

 

RG65.org website changes

Hi All you RG65 folks

We hope that you are well and you are getting some good sailing in.

A bit of maintenance news.  We are currently moving our website to a new host, mainly to save us money.   Hosting the site on wordpress.com is quite expensive and we can save around 75% of the cost by moving it to a new provider.

It is a fair amount of work to move things over and there is a chance that there will be some small issues when it is moved, but please rest assured that we will get those issues resolved as fast as we can.

The most dynamic part of the site is the Forums which some of you are using, and it is here that we may see some issues.   Posts/topics made in the next few days will not appear on the new site but once things are moved we will try to replicate things again.

Thanks for bearing with us while we make this change.

 

Regards

Wayne

Steady Progress

Good day to you all, and thank you for bearing with me while I have been dealing with some personal topics.   RG65 is never far from my mind but I have just not been able to put anything down in writing for a while.

I can confirm that Achille is making some great progress on a new draft of the RG65 Rules that will be opened up for review very soon.   He has received some good feedback from his initial group of Tech advisors and he is now converting this input into a workable proposal.

What we did learn from this process is that everyone has many great ideas of how they would like the class to evolve but as you can imagine not everyone has exactly the same view.  What remains very important to me is that the future direction of the class must not be determined by me, the ICA committee or the ICA Technical committee.   The future evolution of the class must come from you via your World Council representatives.

So for now we are concentrating to keeping the concept of the rules as close to the current 2014 Rules as we can, but converting them into a format which is modern, easy to read and understand, clear so that misinterpretation is reduced, adaptable to local requirements and finally and most importantly, a solid platform to allow future amendments and adaption by the class through democratic process.

So please don’t expect anything too radical when they are published for comment, but please also do not simply reject them because they look different.

  Something else that has been happening is that Vangelis and I have been encouraging the various Nations to sign up to our memorandums and we now have 17 countries signed up and forming our Founding World Council, and there are a few more which should soon join.   This is a fantastic take up and we look forward to working with you all to take the class forward.  You can see details of all this Here and if you click the map image above you can see how the call is distributed around the world.

It is good to see so many countries getting back to sailing after the last few years of disruption and I hope that all of you will be able to get some sailing this year.   On the ICA website we have a page where you can advertise your National Championships .  If you would like your event to be included then please get in contact with Vangelis using the online Form.

Talking about events, while 2021 will have it limitations, it would be good to see some regional, or international events taking place in the coming years.  If you would like to explore the possibility of hosting such an event then please get it touch.

As always, if you have anything that you want to discuss or bring to my attention then please get in touch.   I am always available and keen to engage with as many of you as I can.

That will be that for now.   Happy Sailing everyone

Wayne

Adoption of the RG65 ICA Constitution and Interim Committee

The RG65 ICA Working Group has now finalised the Constitution and Regulations and after considerable consultation with many of you are happy to publish Version 1 of the 2021 documents.

There has been universal agreement with the final documents, so we are ready to move to the next phase.

  1. To view the documents please go to https://rg65.org/association-documents/ Any further feedback would be appreciated.
  2. Shortly we will be calling for nominations for National Class Secretary and National Class Associations in each country. Please discuss your country’s nomination within your Association, group or fleet in preparation for our request. Each country will be required to sign a Membership Agreement, which can also be viewed on the website (https://rg65.org/association-documents/).
  3. In May we will be calling for nominations for Officers of the ICA
  4. The inaugural World Council meeting will be scheduled for a date in June to formally elect Officers and accept the Constitution and Regulations.

To continue working the Working Group has appointed an interim committee to act in the designated roles. The temporary appointees are:

ChairmanWayne Stobbs (UK)
Secretary and Web OfficerVangelis Simonidis (IRL)
Technical Officer and chair of the Rules CommitteeAchille Chatin (FRA)
Officer and chair of the Events CommitteeAndrew Cook (AUS)

This interim committee will stand down during the first meeting of the World Council to allow the first elected committee to take over.

In parallel the Rules and Events Committees will recruit some committee members from the RG65 community to so that they can start their work.

The Rules Committee’s first task is to review the Class Rules and issue a 2021 Draft for consultation, while the Events Committee will start to work with the nations to set up some international events starting in 2022.

Thank you all for your support so far and we look forward to the next few months where we will look to put all this work into action. We are doing this for and on behalf of you, the RG65 community. To do this we need you to guide and help us, so please let us know if you would like to work with us to continue this work. We need an engaged and committed committee to represent the class, and it is the class who must decide who that committee is.

Yours Faithfully

Wayne Stobbs, for and on behalf of the RG65 ICA interim committee.

Group review of proposed RG65 ICA Constitution

As many of you will already know work is going on in the background to create a Constitution for the RG65 ICA to help ensure that the ICA, ICA Committee and the World Council of RG65 Nations manages and promotes the class in a transparent and effective manner.

A lot of progress has been made so far and after some extensive review and edits by our RG65 National Representatives we feel that ware ready to present the proposal to all of you, the RG65 community.

Firstly some background of what it is all about

What is this Constitution we talk about.

Simply put, it the the contract that the ICA Committee must abide by when they do work for the ICA, and how they work with the National contacts, called the World Council.  Who is the World Council…. it is Your National Representatives.  

This is not a “contact” for/with the Owners of RG65, or in any way the Rules for building and sailing an RG.  These are just the terms that the ICA Committee and your National Representative need to abide by when we work together. 

They are there to support you to build the class in your Country.

Why is it so long

We need to make sure that we do not just think of the ICA as it is “today”.   We need to prepare for the years ahead when we will be a much bigger class, attracting more people and Nations, and running international events.  All of this future is built into these documents already.

What is the difference between an NCA and an NCS

An NCA and and NCS are the two types of class associations that you might have in your country

  • An NCA is a National Class Association and is a formalized association with it’s own Committee and Constitution.  
  • An NCS is a National Sailing Secretary, and is an informal association in a country who appoint a “Secretary” to be the contact person with the ICA. 

There can only be 1 NCA/NCS in a country.   This prevents a group of sailors from splitting away from the rest and trying to set up they own relationship with the ICA.

From and ICA point of view, it makes no difference if your nation is represented as an NCA or an NCS, you have the same rights and influence within the World Council.

Why is it split in 3 documents, a Constitution and Regulations and a Memorandum.

  • Usually a Constitution does not need changes in the future, and so this document should be fixed for many years, and any changes will need 67% votes to make any changes, and Only the World Council can vote on changes to this.  The ICA Committee can only propose changes, but cannot vote on them
  • However, there are some things that will change as we grow and learn, and these things are covered in the Regulations.   For these we only need 51% vote to make a change.   In fact in some classes the committee has full control of making changes without the need to consult with anyone outside the committee.  I do not agree with this way, not for the first few years anyway as we must all work together to make the class what we want it to be, therefore the World Council votes on any changes.
  • The 3rd document, the Memorandum is a direct contract that should be agreed with each country NCA/NCS (as I talked about above), and may end up being slightly different each time.   So please view these as a Templates

Voting rights in the World Council

This is probably the most difficult part of the whole process, how many votes does each Nation have.  

  • In some classes the votes are allocated according to how many boats are registered in the country.   This is very difficult to maintain accurately
  • In some classes every Nation gets 1 vote, and nations that have been represented at a World Championship in the last few years get a second vote
  • In other classes the votes are allocated according to how many people took part in the Country’s National Championship
  • and
  • and and….

For a class where we are today none of these ideas will work, but might do in the future.   At the same time we need to respect that there are some of you that have 1 boat in your country, some who have 300 or more, and so we need to have a system that respects this. The idea in the Regulations may need tweaking, or if you have some other ideas the please share them

What will the ICA give to you

The whole point of formalizing the ICA through a Constitution is to ensure that the ICA and the ICA Committee are accountable to all of the stakeholders in the RG65, the World Council, every Owner, club and nation that organize events etc etc.  The ICA has no intention to favor one nation, or group of nations, over another.  The ICA is there to help you service the owners in your country.   Some of the things that we will do include:

  • Give you a voice/vote when making decisions made or proposed by the ICA and World Council.
  • Support you to establish and grow the class in your Nation.
  • Give you a set of class rules that are clear and well written.
  • Give you a mechanism to propose changes to the Rules.
  • Give you a way to get an Interpretation of any of the class Rules
  • Create a worldwide racing network, including events at continental and world level.
  • Create channels and forums for all the RG65 stakeholders to communicate and share information.
  • Set up a Website to keep everyone informed about that is going on.   Vangelis is already well on the way with this.  www.rg65.org

What does it cost

There are no costs associated with you our your Nation being part of the ICA.

So, onto the review of our documents.

Please can you review these documents and if you have any comments or suggestions, either:

  • Add them to the Google Document using the comment feature
  • Pass them on to your National Representative. If you don’t know who they are then take a look at https://rg65.org/national-representatives/
  • Join our Forums and discuss them there. https://rg65.org/community/
  • Please do not discuss and speculate in Facebook. It is difficult to follow all the threads and discussions.

I will leave this open for review until the end of March, where after we will look to formally adopt a final version.

An very lastly, here is a link to the Google Document folder where you can find all the current Drafts. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pX1MZhSrGbc2E2cHFeSHXcU6dlwjCWlK?usp=sharing

Happy Reading and thank you very much for your time and support in the process. Together we can get the RG65 Class to start rapidly growing and very soon have some international events.

Sincerely

Wayne

Moving forward with a Constitution

Hello RG65 Stakeholders. I hope you are all well and getting ready for a season ahead, if you are allowed to have one in your country.

I want to keep you updated on what is going on behind the scenes with regards to the ICA.

As I am sure that all of you will know a proper functioning ICA needs to have a set of rules by which the ICA Committee must adhere, and this also extends to how your National Representatives work with the ICA.

The RG65 have up till now had a reasonably informal constitution and relationship with the class associations/groups in each nation and, while this has been OK up till now, it needs to be tightened up if we want to properly establish ourselves as a Class that attracts the best r/c sailors from around the world.

I, together with a small working party, have created a draft constitution which over the last few weeks was reviewed by some of you, and now it has been circulated to all the National Representatives for comment. We have already has some good feedback and suggestions for change.

It will take a few more weeks to gather this feedback and make the necessary changes before a 2nd review, but hopefully soon thereafter we can put the wheels in motion to have it formally adopted by the World Council. This World Council will be made up of the ICA Committee and 1 person from each country who are your voice at the ICA.

The process to adopt this constitution is set out within the constitution, but generally follows the following process.

  • The interim ICA committee will announce the date of a Special Meeting of the World Council, giving at least 6 weeks notice of the meeting. Part of the Announcement will be a copy of the final constitution documents to be adopted.
  • 4 Weeks before the meeting each Nation will supply the committee with information necessary to determine how many votes each member of the World Council will have
  • Because any vote to do with a change to the constitution takes the form of a “special resolution” your National Representative on the Wold Council must consult with all their members and vote accordingly. So you all have a voice on this, and I encourage you to use it.
  • At the meeting, because it is a “special resolution”, it will need 67% of the votes cast to be in favour for the constitution to be accepted.

I hope that you will accept our proposal for a constitution once it is been adjusted according to the comments from your National Representative as this will then give us the change to take on the next challenges which include issuing an updated version of the Class Rules and hopefully in 2022, at the latest, some International Events.

I must thank all of you who are supporting me, not only Vangelis, Achille, Andrew and Agustin who are my “Working Party”, but all those with whom I am having parallel conversations. I could not be doing this without all of you.

As always, if you have any comments of suggestions, please let s us have them. We are here working n your behalf.

Regards

Wayne